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Re: Adaptec AAC raid support

To: Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org>
Subject: Re: Adaptec AAC raid support
From: Jens Ropers <ropers@ropersonline.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:02:31 +0100
Cc: todd@fries.net, misc@openbsd.org, Theo de Raadt <deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org>, Sean Hafeez <sah.list@gmail.com>
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Scott,

I'm a non-developer, semi-newbie and semi-outsider.
However, I do keep tabs on the issues and I've been reading all the mails exchanged via this list as regards the Adaptec RAID documentation issue. You're accusing Theo of being unkind. I will easily grant that he's taking a hard line stance and that he is confrontational, but where did he lose it? Where did he stomp on Doug? I must have missed that mail.

You, however, you did stomp on Theo and that kind of unwarranted attack is quite out of order and uncalled for. It strikes me that Theo (who some, for various reasons, do regard as "confrontational") was quite clear and rational in his response. I put it to you that it it you who's been belligerent. In other words, based on what I know, I say you're out of line.

There is no need for this.

The issue runs down to a _philosophical disagreement_ and a _difference of opinion_.

FreeBSD (and you) take a kind of middle road, where considerations such as installed base and market penetration are weighed against free software principles and where compromises are acceptable in the hope that they will help towards reaching ultimate goals of freeness. OpenBSD (and Theo) takes a zero tolerance, "straight edge" approach. To the OpenBSD community, it is not acceptable to make the kind of compromises you're willing to make. That's not a judgment, that's just a difference of opinion. I'm not even calling OpenBSD's approach "better" -- because I'm not The Judge Of All Things. I _personally_ currently prefer the OpenBSD way and that's because of my own personal views and opinions.

I am quite convinced that Theo would gladly have contacted you if he had felt that doing so would further OpenBSD's goals. Your complaints about not having been consulted are besides the point, because your goals differ from the goals of the OpenBSD community. __If that weren't the case, OpenBSD would not exist.__ (I cannot emphasize this enough: If OpenBSD didn't have goals that differ from OS xyz, then OpenBSD would not exist.) I'm confident that there was no ambition on Theo's side to leave you out of the loop because of sour grapes or anything: You were not consulted because OpenBSD people didn't feel that what you're offering would have been compatible with OpenBSD's goals and hard line stance in terms of achieving them.

IFF you are willing to use your contacts/relationship with Adaptec to help lobbying the vendor to release _documentation_, then that would be _very_ welcome and quite a few people would be quite obliged. If you are able to provide legally unencumbered _documentation_ yourself, then that would also be more than welcome.

Any other approach to the Adapted RAID issue will not be acceptable to the OpenBSD community and if that's unfortunate from your perspective, then, well, again, you've got different views and goals and a different opinion about the best way of achieving even those goals shared between both projects.

If you can help with OpenBSD's goals, please do help. If you aren't happy about the OpenBSD way, philosophy and politics, then please just leave us alone. Even if we were to assume for a second that OpenBSD is doomed to fail with its hard line attitude: That's not your problem. There's no reason for you to even worry, much less get angry.

Peace.

Thanks and regards,
ropers

www.ropersonline.com

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